Thursday, July 29, 2010

WHERE IS JOHN SHUCK WHEN WE NEED HIM?

So, I write what should be at least a provocative blog and almost no one comments. John leaves town and suddenly there is nothing to talk about except some youth pastor from Chicago.

Yes I'm a bit jealous.

COME BACK JOHN! "There's no place like home."

20 comments:

Kattie W. Coon said...

Bob,

You need to get yourself linked to PresbyWeb somehow, maybe through the Layman or the Outlook. That'll get them talking. I’m sure you’re being read but you’re just not in the limelight. I’m reminded of what Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount regarding those who preferred the limelight.

I think that Youth Minister in Chicago was given a pretty raw and unfair deal by many of those who commented about him, particularly by those who didn't seem to actually read what he wrote, or pulled things out of context. Like this ridiculous comment:
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7560220615271337359&postID=408123704097278815

Be careful what you wish for.

BTW, I liked your ordination article.

Christine Kooi said...

Perhaps the self-appointed heresy-hunters are busy elsewhere. Or they're on vacation; surely even Torquemada took time off?

Pastor Bob said...

Actually I have responded twice to John in Chicago, one to talk about the Trinity and once to talk about the history of emotional responses during revivals and particularly expressions about the blood of Jesus. I'm wondering of the emotional expressions during the 2 great awakenings might be comparable to the expressions of the band and some of the youth at the triennium.

Pastor Bob said...

An addition: I have found it possible to reach across the emotional battlefield. Maybe if we can understand what the other is experiencing we can then value what the other says. All arguments do not begin with theology. Some start with emotion and then theology is developed out of the emotion.

After all the expression of social righteousness in the Presbyterian Church in the 18th and 19th centuries grew out of the awakenings.

Kattie W. Coon said...

Bob,

I hope you don't think I was referring to your comments to John in Chicago.

Pastor Bob said...

Kattie

Nope. I went to the link you gave. You might be interested in my response however. While I think issues of the Trinity may be involved I also wonder of the issue has more to do with the expression of emotions and the object of the emotions.

Pastor Bob said...

Kattie

Yep I didn't mention the Spaniard. I was shooting for North America.
BTW the Hispanics in New Mexico had their land stolen from the.

Kattie W. Coon said...

Bob,

What Spaniard? I'm confused.

Pastor Bob said...

Spaniards in central and South America. But I suppose I need to add the Spaniards who came up into what is now Southwest America

Kattie W. Coon said...

Bob,

I'm still confused. It appeared like you were reponding to some statement of mine. "Yep I didn't mention the Spaniard". Who were you responding to?

Pastor Bob said...

The Spaniards who conquered Mexico, and most of the rest of Central and South America. Also their violent captures of most of what is now California, and Texas. Florida too.

Curiously the Native American population blended in with the Spanish although there was a long tradition in Mexico that divided people by race. They had a name for everyone! Example Mestizo.

We who live in the United States can't claim all the evil of slavery. In fact there was a massive debate back in Spain over whether the Native Americans were real humans or not! The monks insisted yes the conquestadors said no.

And on top of all that when the US took New Mexico, California and the Gladstone purchase Native Americans were supposed to go to the state capitol and claim their land. English speaking white folks stole the land instead.

Christine Kooi said...

I think, Bob, you perhaps intended to respond to my comment on the Spanish in the next post.

Christine said...

And I agree with you about emotional reactions later cloaked in theology. The Layman's recent attempt to gin up controversy about the use of animal images in worship at the GA by insinuating they were some sort of creeping paganism is a good example. They were alarmed by something liturgically unfamiliar, and they tried to cover their fear by appealing to high-minded theology. It was quite unconvincing.

Kattie W. Coon said...

Christine,

It appears Bob may be paying homage to the misguided Ms. Larson by addressing us as if you and I are the same person. That sort of bugs me; I’ve always been civil to him.

Pastor Bob said...

I don't know that I can say anything but OOPS! Sorry about that. Anyone is welcome to comment on my blog. You commentors are a small group but valued.

And sorry about getting the Spaniards on the wrong blog too. That's what I get for commenting while on vacation.

But now I am on the west coast to celebrate my parent's 60th Wedding Anniversary so I may not have much to say for a few days.

Pastor Bob said...

Oh and I don't have anything theological to say about the animals in worship except I thought the big rabbit was creepy.

Kattie W. Coon said...

I don't know about you but I always thought the smiles on the faces of Carmen Fowler and Parker Williamson on their Layman photos was a little too Cheshire Cat creepy for comfort. You would think they might like the big rabbit.

http://www.layman.org/News.aspx?article=27381

http://www.layman.org/News.aspx?article=27392

The big rabbit was creepy but the skunk was okay I guess?

Alan said...

"I don't know about you but I always thought the smiles on the faces of Carmen Fowler and Parker Williamson..."

Reminds me of Shakespeare, "I can smile. And murder while I smile." (Richard III)

The pictures were probably taken shortly after a mill-stoning of some heretic.

Pastor Bob said...

Kattie I honestly had completely forgotten the skunk. And I have NO idea what that means.

Pastor Bob said...

Kattie I honestly had completely forgotten the skunk. And I have NO idea what that means.